PPRuNe Forums - British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only) (2024)

demomonkey,

I think you make a good point. The agreement would entitle Worldwide fleet to allowances such as Box and Destination payments, the actual figures are published in separate documents on the intranet.

Chigley

Thank you. I have read it several times!

What are you suggesting? That those of us who went on strike will be staying at different hotels downroute? These sorts of threats always appear at any sign of a possible strike.

No surprise you disagree as most members on here do. WW and EF will be shrinking fleets if NF goes ahead. It's suspicious that BA offer us protection from one of their own inventions. They are talking about natural turnover of staff. All of their research is based on historical statistics.

Time for work!

MissM wrote:

BA offered the MTP in response to Unite's concern that NF would cause the existing LHR fleets to lose allowances. The MTP will replace certain taxable allowances and will be increased in line with future pay awards. BA will make MTPs on a contractual basis. The annual equivalent payments for full-time crew would be as follows.

Fleet Grade Annual Payment
WW CSD £9,676
WW PSR £9,248
WW JNR £8,085

EF CSD £2,470
EF PSR £2,470
EF JNR £2,266

But still you won't accept this. As you consider BA to be such a nasty, untrustworthy employer, surely you should do the honourable thing - you know what I mean.

Hand Solo,

Unfortunately, even slumming it in airport hotels won't recover from IFCE the £150m it has cost BA so far. This means that all other departments will suffer as well. :ugh:

My understanding is that the reduced crew compliments pay for the original Business Plan savings.

The introduction of New Fleet will effectively pay for the strike action and then provide additional savings for BA into the future.

My thoughts entirely. I for one have had enough of it, we've been constantly reviewed over the years, lost staff, work contracted out, increased work loads. These 'people'? No cos 'we're BASSA'!

And do you know what gets my goat? Certain posters on here, the BASSA die hards...'bring on the next strike/no guarantees/WW is a bully.

I would LOVE to have any sort of guarantee. ALL the workforce except BASSA accept the 'changing times. The majority will continue to suffer with cut backs, or, worse, no job at all if we dont address this minority.

No wonder there are so many volunteers, and hence the continued recruitment. The BASSA boil needs to be lanced with their associated die hards. NOW!

I'm fed with it all!

Thunderbug wrote:

Unfortunately, NF savings will not cover the costs of the recent strikes until year 7. And BA still has not even announced the launch of NF, let alone got it going.

This is too far into the future. This is why I believe that our budgets will get cut again to pay for the strike losses.

ranger 07

Well said!!!

WW MUST sort bassa out once and for all!!

It is always the same militant bunch that use strike action as the normal means of 'negotiation', and if they are not 'sorted' by WW now they will continue this pathetic strategy ad nosuem!!!:ugh:

Quicker than that. Its 20 million per annum per 1000 crew. So 3000 crew is 60m per year. By year 10 BA expect to be saving over 100m per year. Its huge savings.

Cranebank are all lined up for a massive training program within next few months.

If you look at slide 15 of the annual BA Investor Presentation, £9m is to be saved from crew hotel costs:

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...sentations.pdf

I was wondering when the subject of hotel costs was going to be noticed again. Either fewer nights or downgrading the hotels? It was in the 'if you strike' message from Bill but seems to have gone unheeded.

And the one huge problem at the start of this whole debacle is the lack of negociation to start with. WW actually wants a Union;he doesn't want to break one. He's said so, plus it is in his interests to have Unions to negociate with so that crew and staff will go along with what they come up with JOINTLY. So why did it all get so out of hand? Possibly because one side refused to talk?????

Just back from a trip as VCC.

One of our crew had been on strike in March. Then started to read the offer that was on the table and realised that it was a good deal for them and promptly returned to work.

Lot of the crew are still BASSA members, sat in the hotel lobby rollling their eyes at the nature of the texts they were getting off BASSA regarding the next ballot.

A number of them are going to ask for " Backing BA" lanyards as their way of showing their support for the company.

Dixie Dean

Writing from the CRC so will make it a short reply.

Caribbean Boy

The rate for MTP is good, at least for WW. If I were EF, I would be worried as 80% of their income relies on meal allowances. Only 20% of their income is protected through the MTP.

Am I going to resign? No. If BA offers VR again I might accept it if offered.

Dixie Dean

It goes both ways. I met crew at Bedfont FC in May and earlier this month who crossed the picket line in March but felt awful about it. I don't have any doubts that there are crew who were on strike back in March but crossed the picket line this wave.

I have been on strike on both occasions. I have lost ST and a huge amount of money. Do I have any regrets? No. I will go on strike again and for as long as it takes. We may not win but at least we would have fought hard for what we believe in.

Time for coffee and then briefing.

As long as it takes for what exactly? And what do you believe in?

MissM wrote:

Unite failed to negotiate a good deal on BA's offer of the MTP and what's included in it. Indeed, Unite (most likely BASSA) was actually hostile to the MTP but without putting forward a better solution.

But you still thought it worthwhile to strike.

MissM

Meal allowances aren't included in the MTP, they will be paid as now.

From "The Way Forward" page 7
https://planetba.baplc.com/general/a...e?OpenDocument

malcolmf:

I think MissM was referring to the fact that as our meal allowances make up 80% of our total allowances, if for any reason we were 'starved' of work then we would only be benefiting from the 20% made up from MTP? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I don't believe that this will happen it's just not cost effective. Why would the company recruit loads of 'new fleet crew' to do our work and leave us at home on full salaries + MTP? It would completely wipe out any cost savings from establishing new fleet in the first place as BA would be paying twice effectively.